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One doctor in the forum said that while the patients are here he wishes to cover some more information for them. He said that he doesn't believe that sex is the be all and end all of relating to women. Nor do he beleives that it is always necessary or even DESIRABLE to use the tactics outlined in this article, (whether fair or unfair) to get a woman to sleep with you. It is more than just possible that any woman you fancy may be smart enough and have enough good sense to want you just as you are, without any games or bullshit on her part. The doctor also added that she may also express that desire naturally. If you are sane, you might even find that the friendship and intimacy you share with a lady are more important to you than sex. When you find a lady like this, cherish her as the rare treasure she is. Hang on her tight, and don't let go! But many of these women are going to be hung-up sexually, depressed, suffer from low self-esteem, eating disorders, alcoholism, etc. He said with a sorry, that he even briefly dated a woman who turned out to be bulimic, alcoholic, and was also secretly a hooker! But that was very difficult story, taken from his own life.